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Based on the results of various IBCC applicants and their respective IBCC equivalence certificates, it has become pretty clear that doing well on AP tests for those who graduate from U.S. high schools can significantly raise your IBCC score, directly increasing your chances of getting into both government and private medical college s in Pakistan as a foreigner. Because how one does on an AP test, unlike much of the rest of the process of applying to many of these medical colleges, is in a person's control, I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to help those who are going to be taking AP tests.

Fortunately I recently graduated from high school so I remember a good deal of what's covered on these exams as well as how I myself prepared for them. As much as I'd like to make a general statement on how to do well on all the tests, it really varies from subject to subject.

For chemistry, you really have to know your stuff. I bought a Princeton Review review book which was pretty good in terms of reviewing the basic concepts and giving a good preview of the exact testing format. I would say that the Chemistry AP test is the most fair of any of the three sciences (Bio, Chem, Physics), and that you really have to know your stuff. It's best to use a good general chem textbook. I would strongly recommend Chemistry by Zumdahl, fifth or sixth edition. The examples in it are extremely clear and will really help you master all the math you need to know. As for concepts, it might be a bit wordy but it's pretty easy to understand.

For physics, which in my opinion is the hardest AP test of the three subjects, the key is to get a lot of practice with the different formulas and problem types. The overwhelming aspect of the Physics B AP test is that it tests such a wide array of different concepts with over a page of different formulas that by the time the AP test date comes around, a lot of people are overwhelmed with the variety of material that's tested. The key is to build confidence as opposed to being intimidated. You should do a lot of practice problems to familiarize yourself with the basic concepts and the formulas so that you know when to apply what equation. I would highly recommend buying a review book for the Physics B AP test, preferably 5 Steps to a 5 by McGraw-Hill. I can't stress enough how much this book helped me. It's not one of those 400 page review books that basically repeats everything that's in your textbook. It cuts right to the chase and tells you exactly what's going to be on the AP test in exactly how much detail you need to know it. It gives you basic examples and equations as examples, later providing more complex problems that might come up on the AP test, but nothing too overwhelming. The actual text of the book isn't more than 250 pages, and even then a good portion is just practice problems and examples. It also provides 1-2 practice tests to guage how you're doing.

The biology AP test, in my opinion, is by far the easiest of the three major AP tests. The curve on it is huge, so even if you don't know much compared to the physics and chemistry AP tests, you'll do a lot better than you expected. I really didn't learn anything through my course, but since 5 Steps to a 5 helped me with Physics, I decided to try my luck again with the same series and I bought the Biology text of the same company. It helped me even more! I literally just studied about 2-3 months before the AP test straight from this book, reviewing it once or twice briefly after the first read through. Since it's just a review book, though, you have to REALLY know it well. I would highly recommend this as a good review book, and although it's all I studied, I would definitely recommend studying through a textbook such as Campbell-Reece or any similar general biology text before plowing through a review book. The review books don't "tie it all together" as well as textbooks, but if you go through the review books thoroughly and whole-heartedly, they will prove a huge asset (and you won't complain about the results #wink).

I don't have much advice to offer on the English Literature and Composition test (that's the one I took, I didn't take English Language and Composition). I really didn't study for it. I just remember reading about 5-10 well-known novels during my junior year (when I took the test) that came in handy for one of the essays which I can list if anyone needs them. Other than that, my teacher would have us take practice tests when he was absent and had a sub watch over us (they were really hard!) So I guess my advice would be to buy a review book with tons of practice questions and practice tests to familiarize yourself with the content of the English exams. Time is really short on the English Lit. and Comp. exam, so really practice budgeting time. If you're not a big reader, this exam is really tough. The questions are SUPER tricky and sometimes the answers are really weird. If there's one test where exposure to the exam format and question-type comes in extremely handy, it's this one.

That's pretty much my experience with the main AP tests that can boost your IBCC marks.
 

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Excellent post Smeer! This is sure to help out the high school members #grin
 

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THANKS SMEER U HELPED ME OUT A LOT . I APPRECIATE IT MAN. INSHALLAH I WILL BE GOING TO EITHER KING ED. OR AL. IQBAL MED SCHOOL NEXT YEAR. PLEASE MAKE DUA FOR ME SALAAMZZ....
 

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salam to everyone. Im new here. I been reading this forum, it's very helpful. I'm a junior in high school right now. Im think abouting going to med school in pakistan. Inshallah AIMC or KEMU.

If i dont take AP chemistry and physics does that limit my chances of getting by a lot?
sorry if its the wrong thread.
 

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If i dont take AP chemistry and physics does that limit my chances of getting by a lot?
Gohar786, that's really a tough question as it depends on so many factors. I would recommend you give this thread a view, as I've explained what I think appears to be the way the IBCC gives marks. If you give it a thorough read through, you'll see that if you think you'll get better grades (like A or A+, for example) in basic chemistry and physics as opposed to getting a low score of say 3 on the respective AP tests, you're better off taking the basic courses and getting better grades. If, however, you feel you have a shot at getting a 4 or a 5, you should definitely take the AP tests because a score of 5 will get you higher marks than an A or an A+ in any course.

If you don't take AP chemistry and AP physics, you don't have the potential to earn as many marks. But again, I can't stress enough that it only helps to take an AP test if you score well.

All the same, it also depends on what the competition is like each year and how many people drop out of certain colleges along the way. I can't say for sure. The higher your grades though, the better your chances of getting into KE or AIMC.

No matter what type of class(es) you take though, focus on getting As and give it your best #happy.
 

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Hey salaam i have another question. SO lets say im not in ap chem or ap bio but i have the ap books. In your opinion do u still think i should take the tests or not?? Or should i try taking it at some community college. Please help
 

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Hey salaam i have another question. SO lets say im not in ap chem or ap bio but i have the ap books. In your opinion do u still think i should take the tests or not?? Or should i try taking it at some community college. Please help
That's an interesting proposition. I'm not sure how much the IBCC deducts from college courses, maybe if someone who has more info. could weigh in on that it would be really helpful.

In terms of taking AP tests w/o the classes, I think it's a good idea if you really think you can study the books well enough to get a 4 or a 5. It's not very common because at the high school level most people rely on their high school teachers to guide them into what they need to and don't need to study to do well on these tests, as a lot of AP teachers have experience of what tends to come up and what doesn't on AP exams. It's not unheard of, however, to take an AP test without having taken the class.

If you think you can do it and get a good score, go for it. I would try to get some more info. to see if community college courses might get you the same IBCC marks. If that is the case, then you shoud probably take the community college courses because they're a lot less stressful as your entire grade doesn't rest on one test as in the case of APs lol. If you decide to go w/the AP tests, which I think is more safe just because it guarantees higher IBCC marks if you score a 4 or a 5, make sure you will put in the time/commitment to get a good score. Otherwise you'll have wasted a year's worth of extra studying/preparation for nothing.

Personally speaking, it's much easier to get a good score on the Biology AP test through independent study as opposed to the Chemistry AP test. The Biology AP test has a pretty steep curve which helps out a lot, whereas the Chemistry AP test is more balanced/fair so you can't really rely on the curve to bump you up a score just because you felt you did poorly. I would recommend taking a course in AP Chemistry just because there are so many different concepts and mathematical procedures that might get confusing. If not, at the very least get a good textbook like Zumdahl (as I've mentioned above), as it has very helpful examples particularly if you're interested in self-studying. It helped me tremendously.
 

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Thanks.. will getting higher grades on a diff. ap test affect my ibcc score, meaning do they take all of your ap scores rather than only taking the science ones..?
 

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Thanks.. will getting higher grades on a diff. ap test affect my ibcc score, meaning do they take all of your ap scores rather than only taking the science ones..?
They don't look at all your AP tests as a whole, they look at each individual AP test (so each individual science one like Bio, Physics, and Chem, as well as English and whatever other subject you score highest on).
 

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hi, i am taking ap chem and ap caculus AB now. i am also thinking of taking sat II's in chem and biology, coz i'm studying for chem so why not take the sat II's in it. do the sat II's boost your ibcc score or just the ap's.
 

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I don't think IBCC will look at your SAT II scores. However if you are planning on applying to private schools, some accept SAT II scores in lieu of the entrance test, which is usually the best option for foreign prospectives.
 

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um...you're being a little vague -- not sure what you're asking.

High AP scores will definitely boost your IBCC score, but it also depends on your high school grades.
 
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